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bruno wrote:[
Film themes' importance has nothing to do with the girls being lesbian after all, but oh well, they are soooo cute... being honest I think I could rather not have watched this film had it be about a two male gay boys' story, and if really FÅ appeals more to the males than to females as I read somewhere, probably it's because of the good looking girls.
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codyw1 wrote:LOL Bruno. I think that's a fairly inevitable response from a heterosexual male's perspective
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Can't say I agree that there's anything wrong with the first part of the movie, though.
Agnes&Elin Forever! wrote:Maybe the film do have some clichés, but this doesn't matter I think. If you want to be critical you could even say the charachters are a little stereotype, with Elin as the popular outgoing girl, Agnes as the outsider who spends most of her time in her room, Johan as the shy but sweet boy, and so on.
And regarding FÅ being more popular with men, maybe it's very popular among certain kinds of men, the romantic type, I don't know.
mpox wrote:I didn't have a problem with the first half of the movie, I thought it was important to set up the rest of the movie. Bruno if you haven't you should read this essay that kant1781 wrote:
http://freenet-homepage.de/what-its-all-about/
I'm not so sure that Moodysson was that calculating in everything he did (i.e. I'm not sure he was as brilliant as the piece makes out, if you read interviews he doesn't even seem to think all that much of the film) but it's an interesting read and will give you more appreciation for the various facets of the film.
mpox wrote:One of the things that make it interesting though is it turns the clichéd "hollywood" story on its head. Instead of the popular girl helping the outsider become one of the crowd she moves to the outsider. Instead of the shy, sweet boy getting the girl he's the one who loses out (though it's implied he gets the sister).
codyw1 wrote:In all honesty, the main reason I wanted to see the film in the first place all those years ago was...er... seeing a photo of Rebecka in the paper circa 2000 and thinking "Wow, she's cute".
bruno wrote:but in my opinion FÅ has a difficult start.
The birthday party the girl doesnt want, the mother who prepare roast beef forgetting about Agnes being vegan (or vegetarian?), the showdown where Agnes says to Victoria all the nasty truths (were they truths?), and then no one comes to the party... well, everything sounds cliché to me
mpox wrote:I suspect that men might view two girls getting together more favorably than do women because it's not really challenging their idea of identity - they find women sexually attractive too. This is especially true of a movie like FÅ where both characters are cute girls, if Agnes were super butch then I don't know that it'd go over so well (but then the story wouldn't work either ).
kant1781 wrote:As before, I'd caution against downplaying the lesbian thing. Sure, the film is not "about" homosexuality. But that's exactly the trick (sort of). The homosexuality is just there, so unquestioned, feeling so right, that you hardly notice it. Still, it is (I think) absurd to conclude (as some people actually did), "it could be about a boy and a girl as well". No, it couldn't. It would reduce to a mediocre and clichéd boy-meets-girl-romance immediately like we see them on TV by the thousands.
kant1781 wrote:[
As before, I'd caution against downplaying the lesbian thing. Sure, the film is not "about" homosexuality. But that's exactly the trick (sort of). The homosexuality is just there, so unquestioned, feeling so right, that you hardly notice it. Still, it is (I think) absurd to conclude (as some people actually did), "it could be about a boy and a girl as well". No, it couldn't. It would reduce to a mediocre and clichéd boy-meets-girl-romance immediately like we see them on TV by the thousands.
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