Anniversary!

Discuss Lukas Moodysson's first feature film Fucking Åmål (Show me Love).

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Anniversary!

Postby Ian » Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:24 am

It's a year today I joined the board!

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Postby eiger » Fri Feb 06, 2009 12:24 pm

Gratz mate! *:)*
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Postby kant1781 » Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:15 am

...and already firmly established in the Top-3-posters-of-all-time-list! :lol: Congratulations mate! _O_
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Postby bruno » Sun Feb 08, 2009 4:06 pm

congrats, codyw1

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Postby Ian » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:24 am

LOL Dave. Seriously? That's only because you lot don't post enough! :wink: :P

It's nice here, though, anyway. :P

Looks like that 'infection' has become permanent now, though, doesn't it? FA and it's related ephemera is one of my three major Fan Obsessions now. Wasn't expecting or looking for it, but there you go.
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Re: Anniversary!

Postby snaps » Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:19 pm

I can't fit this into any other thread :T

from Poppony's blog 15th March 2010. Approximate (Google) translation follows;

In the new popkanonen see if, or look for the first time, films that are now considered to belong to the collective general education. And then we discuss it. This is our journey.

You may recall that we here at Popponny was nominated for an award once. A price Lukas Moodysson eventually took home. This defeat created a bit of Moodysson fever in the editorial. Therefore decided Kajsa Lindstrom, Magnus Bergman and Kajsa Haidl to see again his feature film debut in 1998, Show Me Love. It is twelve years since it arrived. We have grown up. Does the film also? Or is it still as anxious and current as of the Roaring 90s? The answers you get after the jump.

Magnus: Okay, first let us get it there in time over with. Show Me Love came 1998th I was then 13 years old. On YouTube, someone called the "asgammal ', I died a bit. At the same time it must be said that I'd rather difficult to relate to the characters' problems this time. Was it really so hard to be a teenager? What do you think, does the film aged well?

Kaisa L: And I was given only 10th Their problem is much children of the time, it becomes clear rock hard. It would have been interesting to hear sennittiotalistens picture of it, those who were not included. Naturally, you can still relate the weak, even though they were young, the type Veckorevyn indoor and utelista or rubber plateaus from your shoe.

Magnus: I think in and of itself that it feels like classic teenage problems: identity, peer pressure and so on. What do you think is typical of the times?

Kaisa L: Well, you are right there. Maybe it is just more small town-big city, I think.

Kajsa H: Well, what can you say. It feels good more kitsch and nostalgia today than we actually can relate to it. A chronicle, we are eighty talister can see and revel in their details. But kids today have not the same problem. Thought of the scene when the little brother tells Agnes mom that Agnes is Lebb, are parents like that today? Is not all a bit gay these days? Or when Elin and Agnes' comes out from the toilet "at the end of the movie ... imagine that it is not as complicated now as then?

Magnus: One can hope so. Unfortunately, I feel no parents of teenagers or teenagers for that matter. I still believe it can be really difficult to get out. Especially in high school. I dare say that high school sucks as hard today as -98. And as for that of the small towns. Elin says at one point that if Agnes lived in Stockholm, she had it better. Do you believe, as I imagine is more urban people, that the situation the characters find themselves in are more prevalent in the country?

Kajsa H: One thing that struck me too ... that is so sick very sad, and speaking of the 90s. That if you were born on the "wrong" place, like a small town, it was so hard to get away. Even if one were so bold as Elin and Agnes and actually lifts, so it is still shit. Elin dreams of becoming a model in Stockholm, as a way out. Today, anyone can start modeblogg. Today Elin had been "angry provocateur", she is absolutely right personality for it. What I mean is that it probably is easier in the small town nowadays. Having to get away. To change their situation if they are dissatisfied. The hardest part is well to realize that they are dissatisfied.

Kaisa L: I say it again. It would have been worthwhile to interview a sennittioltalist the secondary situation 2010th The whole bullying thing as well! Porn poster on the cabinet, outcast girl who turns to Agnes to have come up with. We talked a bit about movies Truth or dare before, where the same image of bullying. I find it hard to imagine that it is so today.

Kajsa H: Can we talk about all the beautiful Värmland quotes? "What do you think about pussy when" is my favorite.

Magnus: My favorite is when Agnes has proposed to Elin and it will be a random chick and says "Vaud haur happened?".

Kajsa H: The film overflows with charming alpha males ...

Kajsa H: We can always discuss Luke walk from homemade ungdomsfilm via hippie progg and art films to commercial Hollywood productions, most recently. What does he want? Try everything? "Not fall into a slot"? Thought quite frankly that he could do ten variants together, but he evolved into something else.

Magnus: I read somewhere that he wanted to make some nice movies only (Show Me Love, Together) and then make them terrible movies that he really wanted (Lilya 4 Ever, Hole in my heart) ... Or so I found it myself .

Kajsa H: No, I have read!

Magnus: Then it's true!

Kajsa H: Why we must establish "nice" first?

Magnus: Hmm, would otherwise find it difficult, of course, that heavy films are usually included in what the Swedish Film Institute think are quality films. Though it was perhaps more so in the past, look at the Gota Canal 3 and Arn, for example.

Kaisa L: Show Me Love is interesting in that way. It was really a feeling by the older generation, like our parents, that the "said" so very sick. There was some serious lobster and a frown, I remember. While we're young ba saw a cool small town movie with the typical "fill the party". And that Agnes masturbated. A skolkatalog picture! Sjukt bra.

Magnus: When are you in love in real life as well. School Directories are the least sexy of course there is.

Kajsa H: Haha! But will you remember how you reacted to the film? What emotions brought on with you? Naturally, I remember that I loved film technique (hand-held cameras were a bit smånytt then?) And the interior of the house of Agnes. At the age of ten, I remember that I noticed that Agnes was reading Edith Södergran, had a red cobra phone and drove Marimekko. Haha! * design geek even then * Missed heeelt she masturbated. Assa, it's a right bad movie anyway. The dialogue is terrible. Acting Actions horrible. The only reason to remember the heat is fine for all citations. And Robynlåten at the end. No 16-year Robyn! Can she stop being so experimental. She should stop working with hip hop producers. And instead ba make simple pop-kickers.

Magnus: I remember that I responded to Agnes ancient word processor. Like, get Windows 98, perhaps? On a deeper level, I identified quite strongly with Johan Hult, and makes it a little still. It is good to Moodyson to avoid making any of the main characters of the unpleasant. There are probably only Marcus who is a real douche.

Kajsa H: Hey, Agnes running Mac!

Magnus: Yes, and she is deeply unhappy, too!

Kaisa L: Do you mean that there is a link between accidents and Mac users? LOL in that case.

Magnus: Yes.

Kaisa L: Does it's great how John is picking up in the feminist Elin. Is it really he who makes her take the step to dare to admit that she's in love with Agnes?

Magnus: Well, I think more that Elin is up with John for the environment requires that she is hetero-normative. Then accelerates secure Johan her critical insight that she is really in love with Agnes, by being generally AWKWARD and wear an ugly hat.

Kaisa L: So the scene where he is preparing for the "Christian's party", standing in front of the mirror and dies hat and look at himself. Jessica has just declared that Elin thinks that he is "schnygg". It is so well thought out! And the new striped, long sleeved trikåpikén from JC type.

Magnus: It's not easy being John Hult. Where I grew up, there are still many like him.

Kajsa H: Develop!

Magnus: The most obvious is the exterior: hat, moped, HB n go electric line in high school. Inwardly they are suffering a lack of touch with their feelings. To really enough away from the hole but it did not include themselves. Or so they dare not take the step.

Kajsa H: So I do not think they make it themselves. We put the movie in some sort of perspective to today. What made the film for youth today? How are they themselves?

Magnus: Show Me Love started the course a little wave of ungdomsfilm. Truth or Dare has been mentioned. Hip Hip Whore. Last is well in Glowing Stars. But I have not seen so I do not know.

Kajsa H: Yes ... but all those movies are old now. Today, not youth films produced in the same way I think. That take advantage of fourteen teenagers problems. Bullen-thing. There are neither well-television program that provides true either?

Magnus: The Glowing Stars came of course last year in itself. But how well the track has been on the youth culture nowadays, anyway? We're not young anymore, just face it.

Kajsa H: Does high: I can not think of a single example. I wonder if it's because I 1) are not youth-oriented, and down with kids world. Or if it 2) look different today. Maybe you should throw away an appeal to our readers here. Who can something about youth culture?

Magnus: Yes, comment on it! If we round off a bit, what would you give for the ratings? Naturally, I disagree with Kajsa H. I think it still is. A four I would say.

Kaisa L: A four! A clear four. Even though they, like you said before also, see it with all different eyes today so there are few things that feel out of place. Moodysson is like there, in their midst.

Kajsa H: A fifth of the girl in a wheelchair! Especially in the scene Agnes tries to apologize, and she begins dissar and facial tan instead. But overall scores? Deuce. And then I still love Alexandra Dahlström very much.

Magnus: Haha, yeah! I switch to a four and a half just for that. Facial sun, Dissen best ever!

Kajsa H: Particularly with them glasses!

- Magnus Bergman, Kajsa Haidl & Kaisa Lindstrom
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Re: Anniversary!

Postby fish » Sat Mar 20, 2010 5:23 am

I'm not surprised you couldn't find anywhere else to put it. I had trouble even understanding it. Times like this I think it would be so helpful to actually be able to speak and read Swedish rather than rely on Goooogle.

Could you work out whether or not they actually liked it? :?
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Re: Anniversary!

Postby Ian » Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:40 am

I'm not entirely sure.

(bitch mode) I'm even less sure why I should care. :P :W :twisted:
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Re: Anniversary!

Postby bruno » Sat Mar 20, 2010 2:11 pm

I found interesting the discussion about "now and then". It's true, the world is a bit different ten years after. In FÅ they have cell phones and rave about them, but there's no internet, myspace, etc.
Moodysson's film could be more complicated today because the net connects everyone. So it could be difficult to explain Elin and Agnes stopping communications after the talk on the bridge. Elin puts telephone down when Jessica enters the room, and then decidese not to pursue a friendship with Agnes, but she could have answered by emails, through facebook, chatline and so on. Deciding to maintain a private link to Agnes or having to tell her why she won't meet her anymore. Everything could have been more difficult to explain in the tech world of today.
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Re: Anniversary!

Postby snaps » Sat Mar 20, 2010 7:29 pm

I think Bruno makes a good point, as do the original contributors. In short there isn't an easy answer. What was of particular interest to me was the comparison with how these problems were (or not) surmounted in ''Water Lilies'' made less than three years ago. In WL Celine Sciamma got round the problem by simply ignoring it. In turn that makes the plotline of WL slightly absurd. There is no way, in this day and age, that (in real life) Anne's character would have lost contact with her best (and only real) friend Marie for a week. All the protagonists are prosperous bluecollar progeny in a middle class newtown suburb of Paris.

On reflection, I am glad she made that courageous move. The film (like SML/FA) is about ''real'' relationships, problems of ''real'' life like growing up and the loss of innocence. The most radical move Sciamma made was in dispensing totally with the ''parents'' perspective, as it is told from the POV of the kids themnselves. In that I think she scored one over Moodysson.

The modern technology of ''communication'' is about anything BUT communication. Social comparisons are made on the basis of how many Facebook/Myspace/ Bebo ''friends'' you have, (Facebook friends, incidentally can be bought by the yard) rather than the inherent qualities of the person. Cellphones, texting, internet etc, just speed the pace at which it is possible to become alienated. Factor in the speed at which young adolescent mood swings can take place and you have a rather dysfunctional dystopia.

If Moodysson had one thing right, it was in spotting that Markus was the most ''status obsessed'' with the emergent technology, and at the same time was the most ''emotionally illiterate'' of the principal players.
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Re: Anniversary!

Postby bruno » Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:51 pm

snaps wrote: The most radical move Sciamma made was in dispensing totally with the ''parents'' perspective, as it is told from the POV of the kids themnselves. In that I think she scored one over Moodysson.

The modern technology of ''communication'' is about anything BUT communication. Social comparisons are made on the basis of how many Facebook/Myspace/ Bebo ''friends'' you have, (Facebook friends, incidentally can be bought by the yard) rather than the inherent qualities of the person. Cellphones, texting, internet etc, just speed the pace at which it is possible to become alienated. Factor in the speed at which young adolescent mood swings can take place and you have a rather dysfunctional dystopia.

If Moodysson had one thing right, it was in spotting that Markus was the most ''status obsessed'' with the emergent technology, and at the same time was the most ''emotionally illiterate'' of the principal players.


I didn't see the film, but maybe "dispensing" with the parents is a bit too much. Parents are a part of the kids perspective, aren't they? And in FÅ parents are there for the kids to interatc with, having very scarce space/meaning on their own (maybe Agnes mom speaking with little brother about what a lesbian is). What is really having totally the kids POV?

About modern tech and world, I agree.
I am old enough to remember the world in the 80s and 70s (in my country and my perspective, but I think this applies in all the westworld), I have seen everything become more and more quick and simplified, false, worthless and void of a true meaning. Music, books, films, and so on. Markus flaunting the cellphone is a scene I've seen hundreds of time in real life, I don't want to be moralistic (everyone loves cool gadgets, or at leat a part of them) but it's depressing.
Pardon me for the rant.
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Re: Anniversary!

Postby Ian » Sun Mar 21, 2010 12:17 am

We're getting old, Bruno. :(

I've never seen the point of Facebook et al. If you actually want to talk to me, you've got my email address, people. :roll:


Hmm, I'm not sure I entirely agree about the tech thing ('specially in regard to FA "if it were made now"). In order to keep in touch even furtively, they would still have actually had to know each other's email addresses. It's easy to look up a telephone number in the same town, but if you don't actually know someone's email (and I couldn't see someone like Agnes necessarily having a Facebook page either) that's that.

Marie and Anne is a little more difficult, given they were supposed to be best friends. On the other hand, not everyone is a tech junkie even now and some people do just ignore emails anyway... :wink:
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Re: Anniversary!

Postby Agnes&Elin Forever! » Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:27 pm

I've always said FÅ had a timeless feel to it

But regarding all these technical things maybe it is a little dated after all?

I don't use Facebook either, but I think all this modern technology is absolutely brilliant :D

Without the internet there wouldn't be forums like this, where a few people from all over the world can share an obscure interest like we do *:)*

I love all the other stuff from the digital revolution as well :D

snaps wrote:
The modern technology of ''communication'' is about anything BUT communication. Social comparisons are made on the basis of how many Facebook/Myspace/ Bebo ''friends'' you have, (Facebook friends, incidentally can be bought by the yard) rather than the inherent qualities of the person. Cellphones, texting, internet etc, just speed the pace at which it is possible to become alienated. Factor in the speed at which young adolescent mood swings can take place and you have a rather dysfunctional dystopia.


Stupid people have always been around, can't really blame the technology for this

bruno wrote:
About modern tech and world, I agree.
I am old enough to remember the world in the 80s and 70s (in my country and my perspective, but I think this applies in all the westworld), I have seen everything become more and more quick and simplified, false, worthless and void of a true meaning. Music, books, films, and so on. Markus flaunting the cellphone is a scene I've seen hundreds of time in real life, I don't want to be moralistic (everyone loves cool gadgets, or at leat a part of them) but it's depressing.
Pardon me for the rant.


I think a lot of stuff were false, worthless and void of a true meaning before as well

This is a typical nostalgic comment, 'the good old times were much better than today'

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Re: Anniversary!

Postby bruno » Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:35 pm

Agnes&Elin Forever! wrote:
I think a lot of stuff were false, worthless and void of a true meaning before as well

This is a typical nostalgic comment, 'the good old times were much better than today'

:lol:


Ok, I am old and nostalgic, but THIS is a typical move to thwart nostalgic comments :)


On a serious note, young people of today are probably more learned than me when I was young, but I maintain my point de vue.
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Re: Anniversary!

Postby Agnes&Elin Forever! » Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:55 pm

Bruno, why don't you give some examples of what was better before?

I'll give you some examples of what wasn't better before

All the crap Hollywood movies from the 1980s that are terribly dated today

MTV showing meaningless music videos from boring mainstream artists 24 hours a day

Video cassette recorders that cost a fortune

Cameras where you had to wait two weeks for the damn pictures to be developed

The difficulty to get hold of non-mainstream films or music for example, now you easily order stuff from net-shops, before it was sometimes impossible

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